As reported in this blog, the federal anti-trafficking act failed as in the news. They attempted to add domestic trafficking to save the day. It must had failed too, other than banning Craig's List while all other listings are business as usual. They must had failed because now they started demand abolition, i.e., in order to stop international and domestic trafficking, they are going to remove all demands, another word for abolishing prostitution!
It is back to square one. I don't see when police aren't going after prostitution, which is all illegal, a federal anti-trafficking office can do to eliminate prostitution. When prisoners are to be released because of overcrowding, LE is not going after prostitution in any major way unless complains received.
I don't have the patient to read all the trash. But it was said that porn is a tutorial to prostitution. So probably they are going to go after porn too, together with strip clubs, and maybe fantasy costume and sex toy stores. Another Prohibition is coming. Very recently the MPAA, RIAA are all DDOSed, and so was the firm who boasted that they attacked bit torrent sites. The British law firm which sent thousands of blackmail letters against copyright infringement is going bankrupt because all their emails are leaked, and there's no reason for anybody downloading porn or else to settle. The British Porn Industry said they have nothing to do with that. Good luck. The US secret service, whose job includes tracking down teenage pranksters, hasn't commented on anything.
Indeed porn may be the enemy of prostitution. If not for them it will be trivial to find escorts using google. Now because everyone has whore fantasy, the first 10 pages of search results are all porn.
It's is interesting to follow the money, and see who's behind the new Prohibition. When school classes are huge, and there's not enough money to hold more prisoners, these foundations still find money to support demand abolition ( in parallel to supporting their on going schools of course ). Of course there's the federal funded office created for anti-trafficking. Now they may be going after all prostitutes.
I was wrong that MP's don't use Craig's List. As I have said, US has huge geo diversity. In San Fran they use it to advertise, perhaps due to her tolerance as in LA many years ago. But Red Book has MP reviews long before CL, and now still have them.
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Thursday, October 07, 2010
Wednesday, September 29, 2010
Trafficking Advertisement?
Before Craig's List closed down adult services, Backpages has a steady stream of revenue, and Cityvibe is doing pretty good for free. The latter is better than CL in many ways. Which makes you doubt about the reason for closing down CL. Soccer moms don't want to sell their stuffs along with escorts?
Racial profiling has many problems. Take Koreans for example. They have hole-in-the-wall drinking places. They build big churches in the most expensive real estates. They drive german cars. They have real LV bags. But the MP girls have the same things. You can't tell if you are clueless, especially visiting other cities.
It's a pretty good deal if they work in US MP's instead of back home. Visa's are pretty easy to come by. Married, have a job, have a bank account. There are a lot of alternatives. You know ageism is pretty serious in the East. But girls at their late 20's or later, are still very much popular at US MP's. That's their working holiday. Boy friend visas are easy too. For college age girls, a student visa is absolutely no problem. And language schools are big business regardless of age.
Compensated dating is quite common in the Far East. Sooner or later they will discover the new silk route. But because of the law here, you need to be quite mature to deal with difficult customers. But once in the semi legal San Francisco, when you walk into a brothel on the main street, it looks like a cheerleader team is waiting for you. Some play the role of cute Japanese porn stars, and play plain exchange students. For the more mature ladies, they have to look good in a bikini, and they wear just that, right by the main road.
They don't need any coercion. On the black market, it was reported that smugglers charge $75,000 to smuggle Chinese to US, and $40,000 to EU. It doesn't make sense to compete with the freelancers.
There are more organized forms of prostitution, but as a rule they don't advertise. My estimation is that they are bigger than CL and all escort malls combined in terms of man-hour, pun intended. But still, they are still remotely related to trafficking.
The karma of anti-trafficking has already appeared. If you lock up prostitutes in far away countries, and interfere with aids-work, who suffers? You are driving them aboard where the money is, when the risk is the same. You look at cityvibe and you will understand. The theory may be wrong, but who can rule it out? Also, when you get to know a guy, ask him for his passport. I doubt if anybody will want you to know where he spent his "tour of the world" in the same few countries. Not using a condom is stupid, but understandable when he thought he got a demure girl friend.
Racial profiling has many problems. Take Koreans for example. They have hole-in-the-wall drinking places. They build big churches in the most expensive real estates. They drive german cars. They have real LV bags. But the MP girls have the same things. You can't tell if you are clueless, especially visiting other cities.
It's a pretty good deal if they work in US MP's instead of back home. Visa's are pretty easy to come by. Married, have a job, have a bank account. There are a lot of alternatives. You know ageism is pretty serious in the East. But girls at their late 20's or later, are still very much popular at US MP's. That's their working holiday. Boy friend visas are easy too. For college age girls, a student visa is absolutely no problem. And language schools are big business regardless of age.
Compensated dating is quite common in the Far East. Sooner or later they will discover the new silk route. But because of the law here, you need to be quite mature to deal with difficult customers. But once in the semi legal San Francisco, when you walk into a brothel on the main street, it looks like a cheerleader team is waiting for you. Some play the role of cute Japanese porn stars, and play plain exchange students. For the more mature ladies, they have to look good in a bikini, and they wear just that, right by the main road.
They don't need any coercion. On the black market, it was reported that smugglers charge $75,000 to smuggle Chinese to US, and $40,000 to EU. It doesn't make sense to compete with the freelancers.
There are more organized forms of prostitution, but as a rule they don't advertise. My estimation is that they are bigger than CL and all escort malls combined in terms of man-hour, pun intended. But still, they are still remotely related to trafficking.
The karma of anti-trafficking has already appeared. If you lock up prostitutes in far away countries, and interfere with aids-work, who suffers? You are driving them aboard where the money is, when the risk is the same. You look at cityvibe and you will understand. The theory may be wrong, but who can rule it out? Also, when you get to know a guy, ask him for his passport. I doubt if anybody will want you to know where he spent his "tour of the world" in the same few countries. Not using a condom is stupid, but understandable when he thought he got a demure girl friend.
Friday, September 24, 2010
The real Craig's List
What's the big deal about Craig's List and trafficking? Many Johns and Janets don't even like it. TER is only forced to accept reviews of girls advertising on CL. In the beginning they don't accept it as a valid form of advertising on the net.
Johns don't like not being able to talk back. Hence the popularity of TER and now the local social networks.
Some hookers view CL as dragging down the price. Some don't even like Internet in the first place. In the beginning those compete on lower rates receive hostile phone calls from competitors.
CL served it's purpose and it's not a bad thing to rest in peace.
The majority of CL ads are continuation of the intra-state organized ripoffs. I have been to some cities where 100% phone book and 100% newspaper classified are ripoffs, organized. If not, there are independent ripoff artists.
Many hookers do not like to advertise on CL if they don't have to. Non-newbies know where to find the local social networks, discussion boards, review boards. CL is trouble in comparison. But of course newbies can be good things too.
You know Disney World tourists took a wrong turn at the airport and got killed. How many John's will dare to go to the most run down of the city? The more practical issue. You have to park your car there. And somebody knows that you will not come back for 30 minutes or more than an hour. My friend went to the Embassy(!) in town and he lost a wheel. Losing the wheel is not the real issue, but why you were there is the issue if you call home for help or call the police.
Here most of the transactions are incalls in hotels, CL or not. It was CL making it easy for traveling girls, now picking up by the local boards, Backpages, and Cityvibe classified. When people see conventional advertising they assume that someone will answer the phone. Without these listings, there will not be these traveling girls and you have to drive a long way for incalls.
Most of these hotel incalls are at hotel clusters, like near the airport. If you pick a hotel out of the ordinary Johns' may doubt. And they may not arrive in time.
The next popular meeting places are the best apartment complexes. You know those guys in TER have so much self importance for $300. At the cluster of most safe cities, next to the most happy place on earth, they say, "oh, there is not safe". These are really the best, with all the security, underground closed parking, and one even cannot access without going through a toll road. It's still a bargain compared to hotels if you have that much business. Some traveling girls keep one in town and take turn to visit and host.
Even for the not so best apartment, the owners will decorate the house themselves or ask others, so it doesn't look like a whore house. In the picture frames you can see stock photos of families! If you walk in, you will feel that it is a private apartment of the girl. Even if she share it with one other, they will avoid letting you see anything. It will be highly unlikely to have helpers.
Massage parlors like to be in clinics in medical plazas. Anyway a nice house/apartment downtown could worth more than one in the suburbs because all the business owners fight for it.
Especially for the parlors in old town, they have fences and CCTVs, perhaps with uniformed guards, or along the main road, to make you feel safer. Nobody want to lose a wheel with their massage.
Even for the amateurs, they will have a decent gated apartment. It's hard to find one without a gate.
So it's pretty impossible to hold someone against their will, or not to give them chances to escape. Most girls will open the door and see you to the door.
I'm sure someone will want to find trafficked girls. But it's pretty ineffective to find it in CL, in many areas. If they have a codeword for it, they do not need CL at all.
The other main thing is what you want when you buy sex. In some cultures it's also called buying smile, as in the Land of Smiles. The common complain of "she just laid there" may be fitting the profile of being trafficked. But many willing and able girls started just like that, that men do not want in general.
There are always men who want to satisfy their darker desires. As far as the investigations go, it's not cheap as in CL. Pimps / agents are fairly protective even for girls who works because they have a lot of money to repay. They do not want their goods damaged or diseased. Dress them nice and put them in a nice apartment and they will do just fine without having to do extra admin work and take extra risk.
There are pimps/agents who advertise and promise you to earn $10,000 in a week, and put you in a large whore house. But that's another investigation. Not on CL anyway.
Johns don't like not being able to talk back. Hence the popularity of TER and now the local social networks.
Some hookers view CL as dragging down the price. Some don't even like Internet in the first place. In the beginning those compete on lower rates receive hostile phone calls from competitors.
CL served it's purpose and it's not a bad thing to rest in peace.
The majority of CL ads are continuation of the intra-state organized ripoffs. I have been to some cities where 100% phone book and 100% newspaper classified are ripoffs, organized. If not, there are independent ripoff artists.
Many hookers do not like to advertise on CL if they don't have to. Non-newbies know where to find the local social networks, discussion boards, review boards. CL is trouble in comparison. But of course newbies can be good things too.
You know Disney World tourists took a wrong turn at the airport and got killed. How many John's will dare to go to the most run down of the city? The more practical issue. You have to park your car there. And somebody knows that you will not come back for 30 minutes or more than an hour. My friend went to the Embassy(!) in town and he lost a wheel. Losing the wheel is not the real issue, but why you were there is the issue if you call home for help or call the police.
Here most of the transactions are incalls in hotels, CL or not. It was CL making it easy for traveling girls, now picking up by the local boards, Backpages, and Cityvibe classified. When people see conventional advertising they assume that someone will answer the phone. Without these listings, there will not be these traveling girls and you have to drive a long way for incalls.
Most of these hotel incalls are at hotel clusters, like near the airport. If you pick a hotel out of the ordinary Johns' may doubt. And they may not arrive in time.
The next popular meeting places are the best apartment complexes. You know those guys in TER have so much self importance for $300. At the cluster of most safe cities, next to the most happy place on earth, they say, "oh, there is not safe". These are really the best, with all the security, underground closed parking, and one even cannot access without going through a toll road. It's still a bargain compared to hotels if you have that much business. Some traveling girls keep one in town and take turn to visit and host.
Even for the not so best apartment, the owners will decorate the house themselves or ask others, so it doesn't look like a whore house. In the picture frames you can see stock photos of families! If you walk in, you will feel that it is a private apartment of the girl. Even if she share it with one other, they will avoid letting you see anything. It will be highly unlikely to have helpers.
Massage parlors like to be in clinics in medical plazas. Anyway a nice house/apartment downtown could worth more than one in the suburbs because all the business owners fight for it.
Especially for the parlors in old town, they have fences and CCTVs, perhaps with uniformed guards, or along the main road, to make you feel safer. Nobody want to lose a wheel with their massage.
Even for the amateurs, they will have a decent gated apartment. It's hard to find one without a gate.
So it's pretty impossible to hold someone against their will, or not to give them chances to escape. Most girls will open the door and see you to the door.
I'm sure someone will want to find trafficked girls. But it's pretty ineffective to find it in CL, in many areas. If they have a codeword for it, they do not need CL at all.
The other main thing is what you want when you buy sex. In some cultures it's also called buying smile, as in the Land of Smiles. The common complain of "she just laid there" may be fitting the profile of being trafficked. But many willing and able girls started just like that, that men do not want in general.
There are always men who want to satisfy their darker desires. As far as the investigations go, it's not cheap as in CL. Pimps / agents are fairly protective even for girls who works because they have a lot of money to repay. They do not want their goods damaged or diseased. Dress them nice and put them in a nice apartment and they will do just fine without having to do extra admin work and take extra risk.
There are pimps/agents who advertise and promise you to earn $10,000 in a week, and put you in a large whore house. But that's another investigation. Not on CL anyway.
Thursday, September 16, 2010
Craig's List vs trafficking
I have read the odd domestic trafficking victim's account. Before I debunk some of it, Craig's List adult services was closed down. It's never too late.
The victim:
I don't know about your city or county. The general lawless must be tolerated by politicians and LE. They just turn a blind eye to that part of the city that nobody cares. The incompentence of police blame it on CL.
The argument against Craig's List is that without it, the pimp do not have business and hence will not kidnap children. This is wrong is many ways. The usual argement is that the pimps will turn to the streets. It's not any easier to run away in that part of town where no decent person will dare to enter. If CL is any good, pimps will now know to find somewhere to advertise, Backpages, Cityvibe classfied, or the many classified online and in print.
The irony is that CL is forced to charge by anti-traffickers. It didn't acomplished anything as predicted. All pimps need to do is to buy a disposable phone to register an account, and pay for the ad with a prepared credit card.
The victim:
- kidnaped in front of her home at gun point
- force to sell sex in the most run down part of town
- ran for her life given the chance
I don't know about your city or county. The general lawless must be tolerated by politicians and LE. They just turn a blind eye to that part of the city that nobody cares. The incompentence of police blame it on CL.
The argument against Craig's List is that without it, the pimp do not have business and hence will not kidnap children. This is wrong is many ways. The usual argement is that the pimps will turn to the streets. It's not any easier to run away in that part of town where no decent person will dare to enter. If CL is any good, pimps will now know to find somewhere to advertise, Backpages, Cityvibe classfied, or the many classified online and in print.
The irony is that CL is forced to charge by anti-traffickers. It didn't acomplished anything as predicted. All pimps need to do is to buy a disposable phone to register an account, and pay for the ad with a prepared credit card.
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